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		<title>Comment on Community, curriculum, open education and critical pedagogy by dave cormier</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2010/08/04/community-as-the-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>dave cormier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Terry... that&#039;s pretty exciting. Can&#039;t wait to see what you come up with.

I was starting a CV entry for people who had looked at the model. http://davecormier.wikispaces.com/impact+on+field You might find the last entry particularly interesting in terms of how the model can be applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Terry&#8230; that&#8217;s pretty exciting. Can&#8217;t wait to see what you come up with.</p>
<p>I was starting a CV entry for people who had looked at the model. <a href="http://davecormier.wikispaces.com/impact+on+field" rel="nofollow">http://davecormier.wikispaces.com/impact+on+field</a> You might find the last entry particularly interesting in terms of how the model can be applied.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education &#8211; people, content, process by Pontydysgu &#8211; Bridge to Learning - Educational Research</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2010/07/28/open-education-people-content-process/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontydysgu &#8211; Bridge to Learning - Educational Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see  Richard Hall’s recent blog post Open education: the need for critique, Terry Wassall on Open education, people, content,  process . This debate will not go away and although it is progressing at a frustratingly slow speed it is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see  Richard Hall’s recent blog post Open education: the need for critique, Terry Wassall on Open education, people, content,  process . This debate will not go away and although it is progressing at a frustratingly slow speed it is [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education &#8211; people, content, process by Terry</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2010/07/28/open-education-people-content-process/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joss. I&#039;m sure there are all sorts of reasons for individuals and institutions to get involved in what they see and define as open education - legitimation of public spend on research and education, demonstrating &#039;value for money&#039;, &#039;ground bait&#039; for marketing purposes, offering free content with a view to selling services, accreditation, and so on. I do like Graham&#039;s idea (one of many of course) of it being a way of spreading educational facilities and advantages to those that are normally excluded (I think I heard him say that at F-ALT09). But all this could be seen to be providing existing educational resources in more flexible and affordable way rather than a fundamental critique of formal education.  As you say - &quot;more efficient&quot;. Worthy enough but hardly a challenge to the status quo.

On the other hand offering a fundamental critique, even being anti-capitalist, by itself doesn&#039;t do it. As David Harvey says, the Taliband and communist rule in Nepal both offer anti-capitalist critiques. I notice you used the word &#039;progressive&#039; in one of your tweets. I think it is the &#039;progressive&#039; values that could underpin open education and its critique that are important. The elaboration of the &#039;many reasons&#039; in your last paragraph is crucial, along with what we mean by &#039;better&#039; and &#039;more relevant&#039; (better in what ways, relevant to what and whom?). Thinking  about it while I write this, it looks like there is a political battle to be had within open education. What I mean by it seems very close to yourself, Graham and Richard. It doesn&#039;t seem to be the general view so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joss. I&#8217;m sure there are all sorts of reasons for individuals and institutions to get involved in what they see and define as open education &#8211; legitimation of public spend on research and education, demonstrating &#8216;value for money&#8217;, &#8216;ground bait&#8217; for marketing purposes, offering free content with a view to selling services, accreditation, and so on. I do like Graham&#8217;s idea (one of many of course) of it being a way of spreading educational facilities and advantages to those that are normally excluded (I think I heard him say that at F-ALT09). But all this could be seen to be providing existing educational resources in more flexible and affordable way rather than a fundamental critique of formal education.  As you say &#8211; &#8220;more efficient&#8221;. Worthy enough but hardly a challenge to the status quo.</p>
<p>On the other hand offering a fundamental critique, even being anti-capitalist, by itself doesn&#8217;t do it. As David Harvey says, the Taliband and communist rule in Nepal both offer anti-capitalist critiques. I notice you used the word &#8216;progressive&#8217; in one of your tweets. I think it is the &#8216;progressive&#8217; values that could underpin open education and its critique that are important. The elaboration of the &#8216;many reasons&#8217; in your last paragraph is crucial, along with what we mean by &#8216;better&#8217; and &#8216;more relevant&#8217; (better in what ways, relevant to what and whom?). Thinking  about it while I write this, it looks like there is a political battle to be had within open education. What I mean by it seems very close to yourself, Graham and Richard. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be the general view so far.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education &#8211; people, content, process by Joss Winn</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2010/07/28/open-education-people-content-process/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Winn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A pragmatic political project&quot; nicely sums up my approach to Open Education, although not everyone would consider it the same way. 

Within the open source community, there are those that see it as a pragmatic political project (i.e. Stallman and the Free Software Foundation) but others couldn&#039;t care less about the political implications of their involvement in open source and working entirely for other pragmatic reasons.

Similarly, there are a number of different motivations and aspirations among advocates of OpenEd. That&#039;s OK to some extent - healthy even - but surely there will come a point when each of us decides whether our aspirations lie ultimately outside HEIs or inside - in or against - whether OpenEd is for the transformation of a current, undesirable state of affairs, or for the reinforcement and development of it as a mechanism of efficiency through the re-distribution of &#039;learning content&#039; under the name of &#039;e-learning&#039;.

My simple view is that open education is intrinsically a response to a system of education that is increasingly untenable (and for some of us, undesirable) for many reasons. OpenEd is a critique of what&#039;s wrong and a proposal for something better and more relevant to the world we want to live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A pragmatic political project&#8221; nicely sums up my approach to Open Education, although not everyone would consider it the same way. </p>
<p>Within the open source community, there are those that see it as a pragmatic political project (i.e. Stallman and the Free Software Foundation) but others couldn&#8217;t care less about the political implications of their involvement in open source and working entirely for other pragmatic reasons.</p>
<p>Similarly, there are a number of different motivations and aspirations among advocates of OpenEd. That&#8217;s OK to some extent &#8211; healthy even &#8211; but surely there will come a point when each of us decides whether our aspirations lie ultimately outside HEIs or inside &#8211; in or against &#8211; whether OpenEd is for the transformation of a current, undesirable state of affairs, or for the reinforcement and development of it as a mechanism of efficiency through the re-distribution of &#8216;learning content&#8217; under the name of &#8216;e-learning&#8217;.</p>
<p>My simple view is that open education is intrinsically a response to a system of education that is increasingly untenable (and for some of us, undesirable) for many reasons. OpenEd is a critique of what&#8217;s wrong and a proposal for something better and more relevant to the world we want to live in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open education by uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2009/10/05/open-education/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by TerryWassall: trying to get my head round the practicalities of open education/learning http://tinyurl.com/ycvozus Any help, suggestions gratefully recv&#039;d...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by TerryWassall: trying to get my head round the practicalities of open education/learning <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ycvozus" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ycvozus</a> Any help, suggestions gratefully recv&#8217;d&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open education by On Being an Open Learner «</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Being an Open Learner «</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  Terry Wassall has a new post on what it means to be an open learner. More specifically Wassall wonders how an open learner [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment  Terry Wassall has a new post on what it means to be an open learner. More specifically Wassall wonders how an open learner [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is twitter killing the blog? No. by Ffynnonweb &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is twitter killing the blog? No.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ffynnonweb &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is twitter killing the blog? No.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   altc2009 · blogging · falt09 · twitterNo Comments   via [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Open Scholar by Tweets that mention The Open Scholar -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The Open Scholar -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Valerie Schicho. Valerie Schicho said: Interesting blog post: &quot;The Open Scholar&quot; #opened #edtech #eci831 - http://tinyurl.com/l9wfwz [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Valerie Schicho. Valerie Schicho said: Interesting blog post: &quot;The Open Scholar&quot; #opened #edtech #eci831 &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/l9wfwz" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/l9wfwz</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#039;s excellent Eduspaces news by Recent Links Tagged With "eduspaces" - JabberTags</title>
		<link>http://terrywassall.org/blogs/learningandteaching/2008/06/18/todays-excellent-eduspaces-news/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With "eduspaces" - JabberTags</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] public links &gt;&gt; eduspaces   Today’s excellent Eduspaces news Saved by hsuyo on Fri 24-4-2009   absolutely intercultural 63 +++ studying abroad +++ ERASMUS Saved [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Develop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 4 members originally found by KazMills on 2008-08-12  The future size and shape of the higher education  http://www.terrywassall.co.uk/terry/2008/07/11/the-future-size-and-shape-of-the-higher-education/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 4 members originally found by KazMills on 2008-08-12  The future size and shape of the higher education  <a href="http://www.terrywassall.co.uk/terry/2008/07/11/the-future-size-and-shape-of-the-higher-education/" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrywassall.co.uk/terry/2008/07/11/the-future-size-and-shape-of-the-higher-education/</a> [...]</p>
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